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now that she only has half a brain she will probably switch from being pro gun rights to being a gun control advocate - like Jim Brady

See, now if I would've said something like that, then maybe, MAYBE, I'd concede that I was crass and went too far.

Sad thing is, I'm sure I'll overhear tons of similar jokes at the water cooler from the right-wingers at work tomorrow

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This website has an obvious agenda, so temper that -- they aren't anti-gun per se, they're anti-gun violence, but I thought this timeline they put together was interesting. Agree or disagree -- the timeline is there.

http://www.csgv.org/issues-and-campaigns/guns-democracy-and-freedom/insurrection-timeline

Insurrectionism Timeline

On June 26, 2008, the U.S. Supreme Court embraced the National Rifle Association's contention that the Second Amendment provides individuals with the right to take violent action against our government should it become "tyrannical." The following timeline catalogues incidents of insurrectionist violence (or the promotion of such violence) that have occurred since that decision was issued

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:D Best post of thread.

Glad somebody got it ;)

now that she only has half a brain she will probably switch from being pro gun rights to being a gun control advocate - like Jim Brady

See, now if I would've said something like that, then maybe, MAYBE, I'd concede that I was crass and went too far.

Under the circumstances, I think that comment's in very poor taste Justin :nono:

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From an article on AOL headlines:

Article indicates a Glock 19 with extended mags used in shooting,

Arizona Suspect's Erratic Behavior Raises Questions About Gun SalesJan 9, 2011 – 3:35 PM

Lisa Holewa

Contributor

Jared Loughner's behavior was so disturbing, he was forced to withdraw from community college classes last fall, told he could return only with a mental health evaluation showing he "does not present a danger to himself or others."

He tried to enlist in the Army in 2008 but was rejected as unqualified. And those who knew him described him to reporters as a "troubled young man" who frequently had such unusual outbursts that no one even wanted to sit next to him in class.

But, according to The Washington Post, on Nov. 30, Loughner legally purchased the Glock 19 semiautomatic pistol that law enforcement officials say he used to shoot U.S. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords at an event Saturday outside a busy supermarket in Tucson, Ariz., killing one of her aides, a federal judge, a 9-year-old girl and three retirees.

And that has revived the debate about gun ownership laws throughout the nation, but particularly in Arizona, which has some of the weakest gun control laws in the country. State laws there permit any law-abiding citizen over age 18 to buy a gun.

Annnd so it begins....

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Unless beezer is also named "Justin".. I'm confused.

Confused about what? I agree w/ Justin that Beezer's comment is in poor taste

Innocent people were injured & killed, including elderly & a child

This isn't something to be joked about

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I'm so confused. Why are liberals blaming conservatives for this? The shooter is a left wing liberal nut job. I don't get it.

1 - Why is the nutjob a leftist? If it's because he's reading Mein Kampf and the Communist Manifesto, it makes him no more a leftist than it makes me a conservative Christian for reading the Bible.

2 - The vast majority of the 'vitriolic hate-speech' comes from the right, and while it may not be directly responsible for this -- there are often consequences when you use that kind of language.

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It flies from both barns and you know it. Liberals aren't the peace-loving martyrs they'd like us to believe they are. Some of the shittiest folks I know are "progressives".

I agree, it's a two-way street, but you think it's an equivalent two-way street? I cut the liberals more slack only because they pander less to the "holier than thou" attitude. There are so many conservatives don't practice what they preach when it comes to 'morals and ethics'.

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1 - Why is the nutjob a leftist? If it's because he's reading Mein Kampf and the Communist Manifesto, it makes him no more a leftist than it makes me a conservative Christian for reading the Bible.
http://www.infowars.com/jared-loughner-described-by-classmate-as-left-wing-pothead/

http://mindyourowndamnbusinesspolitics.com/wordpress/2011/01/10/don%E2%80%99t-cry-wolf-mcveigh-was-right-wing-extremist-unabomber-left-wing/

http://gatewaypundit.rightnetwork.com/2011/01/shooter-jarod-laughner/

http://scottystarnes.wordpress.com/2011/01/10/left-wing-assassin-jared-loughner-had-an-occult-alter-in-his-backyard/

From a friend of his from school who cut off ties with him because he started to scare her: "liberal in wanting to change the way the world was run, we both wanted to. He took it to an extreme I never would've."

2 - The vast majority of the 'vitriolic hate-speech' comes from the right, and while it may not be directly responsible for this -- there are often consequences when you use that kind of language.
:nono: Trolling or blind?
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http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/10/opinion/10krugman.html?_r=2&ref=opinion

I'm so confused. Why are liberals blaming conservatives for this? The shooter is a left wing liberal nut job. I don't get it.

Because if 90%+ of the news says it's so, then it has to be true.

I know so, I read that on the internet...:rolleyes:

Truth... no one listens, everyone has a preset agenda.

Very few people will look for facts, and see reality.

And I can understand why, it would make at least half of them unhappy.

Probably doesn't matter what the shooter was, he became an Anarchist when he pulled the trigger.

Political change through the use of force. Although I'm not sure he was rational enough to understand his own actions.

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Because if 90%+ of the news says it's so, then it has to be true.

I know so, I read that on the internet...:rolleyes:

Truth... no one listens, everyone has a preset agenda.

Very few people will look for facts, and see reality.

And I can understand why, it would make at least half of them unhappy.

Probably doesn't matter what the shooter was, he became an Anarchist when he pulled the trigger.

Political change through the use of force. Although I'm not sure he was rational enough to understand his own actions.

Agreed. I think the biggest reason he did this was because he's a fucking whackjob.

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from a blog:

His facebook page, which has now been removed, had Obama right at the

top of the page as one of his friends and comrades. Notice how all the media has not said one word about that?

Is this true? I didn't see his FaceBook page.

edit: LOL, I just did some searching, fake FaceBook pages are starting to appear. They are incredible...

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I don't know what other proof you need that he was a Marxist other than a picture of Obama on is FB page. :lol:

(relax.. I'm only kidding)

All images of his FB that I've found so far are fake. Both left and right and "other". Still looking...

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from a blog:

Is this true? I didn't see his FaceBook page.

edit: LOL, I just did some searching, fake FaceBook pages are starting to appear. They are incredible...

There are two fake ones trying to make him look like a right-winger:

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1105353407

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001943854736

I'm going to say the Obama thing is false also.

I think this one is the real one:

Jared_Loughner_4_1294524191845.png

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http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/10/opinion/10krugman.html?_r=2&ref=opinion

I'm so confused. Why are liberals blaming conservatives for this? The shooter is a left wing liberal nut job. I don't get it.

Because there was gun violence involved

Very few liberals believe in guns. Ask a hippie

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I read your links, and they still lean on the fact he's "left wing" because he reads "left wing" stuff -- like I said, just because I've read the Bible doesn't make me a conservative Christian. What characteristics of a liberal/left-winger does he possess? Guns - right wing, anarchist/anti-gov't - right wing, pot-smoker - left wing... and this is the problem I've always had with labels. Just like I'm the liberal f*(ktard on here when that label doesn't encompass my views.

Because there was gun violence involved

Very few liberals believe in guns. Ask a hippie

Good idea -- where's Pauly?

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That's odd, only SOME of those are hippie ideas. But, I called you a hippie so obviously you need to conform to the stereotype of one, or at least my idea of that stereotype. Start fitting within the label, dammit!

Spoken like a true liberal.

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i've been consciously trying to stay out of the poli threads cause of a few reasons, but one of them is that I am so very tired of the 2 party/2 ideology finger pointing. it's ridiculous. The other reason is I tend to make points and refute points in an exhaustive manner, and yet at the same time, I'm a lazy fuck... so i'm saving myself some effort.

but yeah... this whole "wahh, the rights' rhetoric is so venomous and NOW look what happened, wahhh" and "liberals are stoooopid and liberal and eat a dick and dieee!" back and forth is just fucking tiresome.

gonna go back to fapping to Katie St. Ive's first few forays into porn. she is the valentino rossi of reverse cowgirl. buckets, I tell you. just fucking buckets.

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i've been consciously trying to stay out of the poli threads cause of a few reasons, but one of them is that I am so very tired of the 2 party/2 ideology finger pointing. it's ridiculous. The other reason is I tend to make points and refute points in an exhaustive manner, and yet at the same time, I'm a lazy fuck... so i'm saving myself some effort.

but yeah... this whole "wahh, the rights' rhetoric is so venomous and NOW look what happened, wahhh" and "liberals are stoooopid and liberal and eat a dick and dieee!" back and forth is just fucking tiresome.

gonna go back to fapping to Katie St. Ive's first few forays into porn. she is the valentino rossi of reverse cowgirl. buckets, I tell you. just fucking buckets.

Someone just got sucked in. Buwhahahahahaha!!!!!

Just kidding. I totally agree. Want to know what the left and right mean to me?

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That's right... fap it to the right, and fap it to the left. :D

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