Jump to content
Tonik

Lets fix this ear plug BS

Recommended Posts

Isaac's Papa    37,898

For proprietary equipment, I like Bose. Then again, I'm not an audiophile. I want it compact and I want it to sound good. Bose fits that bill. 

I also own nothing made by Bose. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Qman    261
34 minutes ago, JustinNck1 said:

I got a set of bluetooth Bose sport earbuds. Not much difference in price compared to Beats or Jaybirds. :dunno: They sound amazing for earbuds, but not as nice as my Sennheiser Over-The-Ears.

Sennheiser makes some nice stuff.  Have a pair of their HD650s.  Too bad my ears aint what they used to be!   Sold off most of my hi-end HIFI goodies.  (Have a really nice Cinepro Limited Edition 500 WPC power amp if anyone is interested). Beats ® are even more overpriced than BOSE ® , if that's possible!

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Bad324    21,451

Bose HQ is awesome. Their R&D is unreal and that's also a lot of what you're paying for.

But yea I'm not buying that shit, I'll just take the hand me down demo items I sometimes get from work

Edited by Bad324

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Connie14    436

I received a response,  and they are going to take acton:

"Thank you for emailing Senator Balderson regarding concerns with earphone/earplug use and motorcycles. Senator Balderson received your message and asked me to look into it for him. I contacted the Ohio Department of Public Safety and they researched the issue. They concluded that it was inconsistent with state law to have that paragraph on encouraging the use of hearing protection in their motorcycle handbook, and they will be removing it from future editions. They also told me that if it is something we would like to change, it would become a legislative issue.
 
I have talked to Senator Balderson about potentially formulating a new bill that would allow motorcyclists to wear earplugs for health reasons to prevent hearing loss. Although I certainly can't guarantee anything at this point, I wanted to let you know that we are aware of the issue and are looking into it. Senator Balderson is an avid motorcyclist himself, so he is always interested in helping out fellow motorcyclists. 
 
I will stay in touch with you if I have "
 
:smh:
 
Apparantly, common sense has no business in legislative or beaurocratic matters.
Edited by Connie14
  • Upvote 2

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
PhilD'oh!    204

Good grief. 

 

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Tonik    10,985

I disagree, that paragraph should be removed. He is a biker and sounds like he may help. This is a decent response.

This is a process gang, I have been down this road. Next week we call all the asshats that didn't respond.

Edited by Tonik
  • Upvote 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Vulcan_Rider    2,078

sent to the 2 that ignored me and a nicer version to the one that responded.

 

  • Upvote 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Tonik    10,985
On 6/6/2017 at 5:34 PM, electrode said:

UPDATE:

I wanted to update you that Rep. Goodman as decided to introduce a bill to address this issue. We are currently gathering co-sponsors, and plan to introduce the bill within the next two weeks.

Thank you once again for bringing this to our attention. We will keep you informed on the progress of the bill going forward. If you'd like to participate in the process, there will be an opportunity for proponents of the bill to testify in support of it during committee hearings.

Sincerely,

Brent Rossman
Legislative Aide
Representative Wesley Goodman
Ohio House of Representatives
District 87

Rep87@ohiohouse.gov
614.644.6265

 

Contact your Reps gang...we got a bill for real.  This is huge.

The bill is real and alive.  We need to show up en-mass when it goes to hearing.  I know from past experience that the reps will gauge how important something is based on the number of supporters in the room.

https://www.legislature.ohio.gov/legislation/legislation-summary?id=GA132-HB-280

 

  • Thanks 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
DerekClouser    647
26 minutes ago, Tonik said:

 

Contact your Reps gang...we got a bill for real.  This is huge.

The bill is real and alive.  We need to show up en-mass when it goes to hearing.  I know from past experience that the reps will gauge how important something is based on the number of supporters in the room.

https://www.legislature.ohio.gov/legislation/legislation-summary?id=GA132-HB-280

 

Keep us informed and I will definitely show up wearing earplugs while riding. 

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
jschaf    1,686

Not huge. Next up, draconian 55 mph speed limits on nice twisty roads. Start the petition, call your representative FFS.

  • Upvote 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
electrode    23

 

On ‎7‎/‎31‎/‎2017 at 0:20 PM, Tonik said:

 

Contact your Reps gang...we got a bill for real.  This is huge.

The bill is real and alive.  We need to show up en-mass when it goes to hearing.  I know from past experience that the reps will gauge how important something is based on the number of supporters in the room.

https://www.legislature.ohio.gov/legislation/legislation-summary?id=GA132-HB-280

 

Awesome. Didn't think we had a chance.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Qman    261
9 hours ago, electrode said:

 

Awesome. Didn't think we had a chance.

I think they'll see the irony at the "HEARING", and pass the bill!:D

  • Like 2
  • Haha 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Tonik    10,985

Ok gang, we have traction. It has been refereed to committee, so it is not dead. The committee will debate it and the modify it and pass it to the general assembly or it will kill it. We need to continue to move it along. I wrote another wall of text that you can copy and paste and email to the committee members. Yes there are a bunch but come on it will only take five minutes to do them all.

When it goes to hearing we need to be there, I know for a fact they will look around the room to see if there is support. We will need to get @NinjaDoc there as our medical expert. No, he isn't a ENT but he as Dr. in front of his name it will bring credibility to what he says.

I have also pinged ABATE to help, if you are a member ping them too.

Here is the link to the committee members and the wall of text to paste...or say your own thing. Just click the members on the right and paste into a message.

 

http://www.ohiohouse.gov/committee/transportation-and-public-safety

Hello,

I see that House Bill 280 has been refered to the Transportation and Public Safety Committee on which you serve. HB 280 addresses an issue with ORC 4511.84 that needs to be corrected. This law prohibits the use of earphones and earplugs while riding a motorcycle. While prohibiting earphones may make sense, the prohibition on earplugs does not. This law is antiquated and does not account for the medical community’s better understanding of hearing loss and it’s causes.

Ohio is one of only five states that still have a law like this in effect.

The Ohio BMV handbook for new motorcycle riders says:

“Long-term exposure to engine and wind noise can cause permanent hearing damage, even if you have a quiet motorcycle and wear a full-face helmet. Whether you choose disposable foam plugs or reusable custom-molded devices, properly worn hearing protection reduces noise, while allowing you to hear important sounds like car horns and sirens.”

I have a quiet motorcycle, and I wear a full face helmet. When I don’t wear ear plugs I can clearly tell my hearing has been impacted after a day of riding. They ring and buzz, just like being at a loud concert. Yes, I ignore the law and wear ear plugs as do a great many other riders I know. One of whom just got a $95 dollar ticket for doing so.

I can assure you we can hear sirens, horns and the traffic around us when we wear ear plugs. Ear plugs are selective in what noise they block.

Simply put the State has a law forcing a motorcycle rider to expose themselves to noise levels far in excess of what OSHA allows in the work place. It is forcing us to suffer permanent hearing loss. It has no moral right to do so. HB 280 needs to be passed to correct this issue.

Please let me know what I can do to help make this happen and thank you in advance for your help in this matter and thank you for your service to our State. It is genuinly apprecaited.

  • Thanks 3
  • Upvote 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
smccrory    610

Done.  FWIW I customized your EXCELLENT letter a bit and delivered it to all 15 members of the committee.  I made sure to put their name in the header for a little more personalization.

Definitely keep us informed if/when this goes to hearing and I'll make every effort to be there in person.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
smccrory    610

Here's my variant; again massive thanks to Tonik, especially since he hates it. :-P

Hello,

I see that House Bill 280 has been referred to the Transportation and Public Safety Committee on which you serve.  HB 280 addresses a flaw with ORC 4511.84 that needs to be corrected - it prohibits the use of earphones and earplugs while riding a motorcycle.  While prohibiting earphones may make sense, the prohibition on earplugs does not.  This law is antiquated and does not account for the medical community’s better understanding of hearing loss and it’s causes, and in fact Ohio is one of only five states that still have a law like this in effect.

The Ohio BMV handbook for new motorcycle riders outlines noise risk:

“Long-term exposure to engine and wind noise can cause permanent hearing damage, even if you have a quiet motorcycle and wear a full-face helmet. Whether you choose disposable foam plugs or reusable custom-molded devices, properly worn hearing protection reduces noise, while allowing you to hear important sounds like car horns and sirens.”

I have a quiet motorcycle and I always wear a full-face helmet.  When I don’t wear ear plugs, I can clearly tell my hearing has been impacted after a day of riding.  They ring and buzz, just like being at a loud concert.  Yes, I ignore the law and wear ear plugs as do a great many other riders I know - one of whom just received a $95-dollar ticket for doing so.

I can assure you that we can hear sirens, horns and the traffic around us when we wear ear plugs.  Ear plugs are selective in what noise they block – high-frequency wind “hiss.”  Simply put, the State has a law forcing a motorcycle rider to expose themselves to noise levels far in excess of what OSHA allows in the work place.  It is forcing us to suffer permanent hearing loss, has no ethical right to do so, so HB 280 needs to be passed to correct this issue.

Please let me know what I can do to help make this happen, and thank you in advance for your help in this matter.  I, and motorcyclists like me, love riding as well as reducing the risks of doing so.  To us, earplugs are just another essential safety item like helmets, gloves, boots and padded, abrasion-resistant pants and jackets, and we’d love to do so without being subject to fines.  Finally, thank you for your service to our State - it is genuinely appreciated!

With sincere gratitude,

Scott McCrory

{contact details}

  

 

Edited by smccrory
  • Thanks 1
  • Upvote 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
electrode    23

Well, it looks like we have House Bill 280!

 

I just wanted to update you that Rep. Goodman gave sponsor testimony on the bill (now officially HB 280) to the House Transportation and Public Safety committee yesterday, and it was received warmly by the members. 

We are hoping to have a second hearing on the bill sometime in October for proponents to testify on the bill. All hearings are public, and if you'd like, you're able to come in to testify on the bill. If you're interested, let me know and I can let you know when proponent testimony is. 

Best,

Brent Rossman
Legislative Aide
Representative Wesley Goodman
Ohio House of Representatives
District 87

Rep87@ohiohouse.gov
614.644.6265

  • Upvote 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
serpentracer    2,176

honestly what kind of cop would even care?  I've been wearing them for over a decade. so does 90% of the people I ride with.  this isn't like driving while intoxicated kind of breaking the law.  but it is the kind of stupid only a gov would come up with.  I can hear everything just fine wearing them.  car horns, cars next to me etc.  well, you guys know...

Edited by serpentracer

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Ryan_c_F    390
On 10/1/2017 at 12:26 PM, serpentracer said:

honestly what kind of cop would even care?  I've been wearing them for over a decade. so does 90% of the people I ride with.  this isn't like driving while intoxicated kind of breaking the law.  but it is the kind of stupid only a gov would come up with.  I can hear everything just fine wearing them.  car horns, cars next to me etc.  well, you guys know...

It's more to provide a modicum of protection for the average rider against a super-petty line-level officer. A deputy feeling authoritative can nail you with a hundred different fines and fees; it's best to remove as many laws as possible to provide the people with Liberty instead of ticky-tack fines.

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Ryan_c_F    390
On 9/21/2017 at 6:26 PM, electrode said:

Well, it looks like we have House Bill 280!

 

I just wanted to update you that Rep. Goodman gave sponsor testimony on the bill (now officially HB 280) to the House Transportation and Public Safety committee yesterday, and it was received warmly by the members. 

We are hoping to have a second hearing on the bill sometime in October for proponents to testify on the bill. All hearings are public, and if you'd like, you're able to come in to testify on the bill. If you're interested, let me know and I can let you know when proponent testimony is. 

Best,

Brent Rossman
Legislative Aide
Representative Wesley Goodman
Ohio House of Representatives
District 87

Rep87@ohiohouse.gov
614.644.6265

Interested!

 

I'm down here in Columbus now, so I'd love to attend the hearing.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Tonik    10,985
Just now, Ryan_c_F said:

It's more to provide a modicum of protection for the average rider against a super-petty line-level officer. A deputy feeling authoritative can nail you with a hundred different fines and fees; it's best to remove as many laws as possible to provide the people with Liberty instead of ticky-tack fines.

QFT

Its a pile on offense. How many infractions can I pile on this guy. That is what happened to Mark.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now


×