Tonik Posted November 6, 2013 Report Share Posted November 6, 2013 And like me, he has a very cynical sense of humor. http://www.theatlanticwire.com/politics/2013/11/the-loyal-obama-supporters-whose-plans-have-been-canceled-by-obamacare/71312/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tpoppa Posted November 6, 2013 Report Share Posted November 6, 2013 I expect to hear many more stories like this. No matter what else occurs during his term, Obama will be remembered for Obamacare...it's not looking good so far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magley64 Posted November 6, 2013 Report Share Posted November 6, 2013 yup, some people's premiums are going up... Others are going down, and countless others are now eligible for health insurance who were not eligible before... Is the system better, or worse? depends who you ask. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smccrory Posted November 6, 2013 Report Share Posted November 6, 2013 Ah yes, because God hates Democrats. ;-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tpoppa Posted November 6, 2013 Report Share Posted November 6, 2013 (edited) As someone who works for the largest processor of payroll deductions (including health care deductions) in the US...my vote is for 'worse.' Edited November 6, 2013 by Tpoppa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magley64 Posted November 6, 2013 Report Share Posted November 6, 2013 As someone who works for the largest processor of payroll deductions (including health care deductions) in the US...my vote is for 'worse.' Okay, what would be your opinion were you someone drowning in medical bills that you couldn't pay because you were ineligible for insurance? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad324 Posted November 6, 2013 Report Share Posted November 6, 2013 Okay, what would be your opinion were you someone drowning in medical bills that you couldn't pay because you were ineligible for insurance? I'll do you one better. I'll give you the opinion of someone drowning in medical bills and is in the process of fighting being dropped from their platinum plan. It's definitely worse Also as someone who works closely with a Health Care provider they as a company see it as "worse" Overall, it does way more harm than good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tpoppa Posted November 6, 2013 Report Share Posted November 6, 2013 The ACA is almost as good as the website. The difference is that the can probably fix the website. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magley64 Posted November 6, 2013 Report Share Posted November 6, 2013 Overall, it does way more harm than good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad324 Posted November 6, 2013 Report Share Posted November 6, 2013 not really, there seem to be enough cases of this that its becoming more than just an opinion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magley64 Posted November 6, 2013 Report Share Posted November 6, 2013 I hope you eventually drown in all the Koolaid. that's not koolaid, that's a white russian... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magley64 Posted November 6, 2013 Report Share Posted November 6, 2013 not really, there seem to be enough cases of this that its becoming more than just an opinion the plural of "anecdote" is not "evidence" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tpoppa Posted November 6, 2013 Report Share Posted November 6, 2013 The article shows that it's OK for democrats to admit that the ACA is flawed. It's even OK for Democrats who call themselves Libertarians. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magley64 Posted November 6, 2013 Report Share Posted November 6, 2013 (edited) The article shows that it's OK for democrats to admit that the ACA is flawed. It's even OK for Democrats who call themselves Libertarians. I've already said it's not perfect, it's based on Romneycare which is an unhappy marriage of a "free market solution" to a "government mandate" but it's better than letting the insurance companies write their own rules and fuck anyone who doesn't help their bottom line... Edited November 6, 2013 by magley64 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smccrory Posted November 6, 2013 Report Share Posted November 6, 2013 The article shows that it's OK for democrats to admit that the ACA is flawed. It's even OK for Democrats who call themselves Libertarians.I personally have no doubt that it's flawed, but near-complete GOP non-participation in its formulation and implementation as a political strategy hasn't done America any good either. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vf1000ride Posted November 6, 2013 Report Share Posted November 6, 2013 it's better than letting the insurance companies write their own rules and fuck anyone who doesn't help their bottom line... Your right because now it's the government fucking the public and the insurance companies still have profits that will grow faster than the national dept. I can see how this is so much better for the country. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonik Posted November 6, 2013 Author Report Share Posted November 6, 2013 Okay, what would be your opinion were you someone drowning in medical bills that you couldn't pay because you were ineligible for insurance? You mean like the 6 million or so people that just got cancellation notices? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReconRat Posted November 7, 2013 Report Share Posted November 7, 2013 (edited) Here is where I say "what goes up, must come down". Currently Democrats are not in favor of ObamaCare by a 2 to 1 ratio. Remainder undecided.Among Republicans, well, you know... something like 95%+ against. Congress is currently drafting revisions to correct. Good luck to them, even with decent bipartisan support.Attempts will be made to allow people to "keep their existing", not pay penalties for the first year, extend enrollment periods, etc. Fancy footwork quickly being applied, this will effect votes in the next elections. Worst news recently, is that several top-of-the-line hospitals (as well as many others) have discovered that they can only accept one or two or three insurance companies, per ObamaCare. They are furious, and litigation is expected. edit: Yes, if you are a Democrat and support ObamaCare, you are currently in a serious minority. Every which way you want to measure it. Edited November 7, 2013 by ReconRat 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magley64 Posted November 7, 2013 Report Share Posted November 7, 2013 You mean like the 6 million or so people that just got cancellation notices?So their "current" plan got cancelled... boo hooIt's not like they can't buy a comparable plan before the cancellation takes effect. It's not like the insurance company said "sorry, you're fucked, we refuse to insure you because you're already sick" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReconRat Posted November 7, 2013 Report Share Posted November 7, 2013 So their "current" plan got cancelled... boo hooIt's not like they can't buy a comparable plan before the cancellation takes effect. It's not like the insurance company said "sorry, you're fucked, we refuse to insure you because you're already sick"No. There are no comparable plans. That's not how it works. There is "before" and "after". From now on, everything costs more. It has to, to pay for the overall cost of universal health care. It already has, will continue, and will increase. On top of what was steady increases anyway. It's not magic, some one somewhere has to pay for it, and it can't be done with just "young people who never bought insurance before". Call it sticker shock, it is the reality of what it is. The odd part is so many people that honestly thought it was free, or cheaper, or the same. Better or not isn't an issue yet, that plays out later, when it's seen whether it is truly better care or not. Personally I think the next effect will be a middle class panic about cash flow. Resulting in a drop in consumer spending. Expect a slowdown in GNP and a drop in the stock market, which is peaking anyway. Possibly another mini "recession". 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zx3vfr Posted November 7, 2013 Report Share Posted November 7, 2013 I have a theory. A theory that explains this giant mess all to well.Obamacare was fucked up on purpose. They purposely wrote a bad law.They did this to prove,Well to prove the only solution, is not the old way, not the current way, but the next wayThe next way of SINGLE PAYER....If you have your health ID card you get treatment. Then we are all fucked.And the old way really wasn't that bad. If you got sick and needed $100,000 dollar surgery NO ABSOLUTELY NO doctor or hospital could refuse treatment. And when you can't pay the bill you simply call up the hospital and ask for easy payment terms of $20 dollars a month and they would take what they could get.You Obamacare leg jumpers do realize most hospitals are non profit right? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magley64 Posted November 7, 2013 Report Share Posted November 7, 2013 Well since were all throwing anecdotes around...My employers insurance recently went up..by 7%.This is the smallest increase in a year that our benefits manager has ever seen. She was worried, she was riding the doom and gloom train pretty hard. They got a better rate than they would have...That's not all, single people are saving $20 a month because the individual contribution actually decreased by $5 per paycheck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReconRat Posted November 7, 2013 Report Share Posted November 7, 2013 Same here, corporate group plans have been good and managed to maintain some sanity. What didn't get mentioned is that although the cost changed little, a number of other changes were introduced to maintain a profit. Those will cost the individual in a variety of ways. Again, some will gain from those changes, and some will lose. Mostly lose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonik Posted November 7, 2013 Author Report Share Posted November 7, 2013 So their "current" plan got cancelled... boo hooIt's not like they can't buy a comparable plan before the cancellation takes effect. It's not like the insurance company said "sorry, you're fucked, we refuse to insure you because you're already sick" Did you read the article at the start of this thread and see what the people in it are having to change too? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magley64 Posted November 7, 2013 Report Share Posted November 7, 2013 Did you read the article at the start of this thread and see what the people in it are having to change too?Yes, I read the article, yes it sucks for them, but they still can get insurance. It will cost them a bit more because of their high income (oh the problems of some people). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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