Yamaha Super Tenere'

[rollnhot]

Seriously thinking about moving one of these into my garage. Any owners out there. Or any members know someone that has one. Would like some input, other than they're homely already saw that. Always liked adventure bikes, this seems to have what I want. Those beasts I ride behave badly off the pavement. Not looking for off roader, but there's a lot of roads my current bikes wont deal with.

[swingset]

Meefzah has one, lots of owners on ADVrider and a big thread over there with lots of info.

[Hoblick]

Ducati Multistrada =-)

[marca]

Dittos on the Ducati Multistrada.

[buildit]

I've only ridden the S10 twice but my pros are

1. Tall bike 2. smooth acceleration, 3. large gas tank, 4. awsome suspension, 5. smooth transmission.

Cons: 1. Too many electronics that are in control and require stopping and shutting engine off to change, 2. engine vulnerability due to poor guard, 3. shaft drive.

Overall for the right price I'd take this bike over a GS1200 almost any day.

[redkow97]

I've been contemplating ditching the MTS for a TigerXC' date=' myself.[/quote']

Any reasons why? I thought you were in L-U-V with the Duc

[BadTrainDriver]

Meef has one? I thought he had a Triumph.

[buildit]

Meef has one? I thought he had a Triumph.

Nope, last second change of heart on his behalf.

[ScubaCinci]

I'd love to ride one. At some point in the next few years I'm going to pick one of these up or a R1200GS.

[Pokey]

More than likely will be my next bike.

[cobrat]

Rode one this summer. I have to admit I had low expectations and I was comparing it to my 950 and also to my (sold) MTS 1200.

REALLY liked the big girl! Very smooth, good power -- better low end than my 950, not maniac fast like the MTS -- has a just right feel to it. Good seated ergonomics and comfortable seat. Big tall thing though!

[rollnhot]

Rode one this summer. I have to admit I had low expectations and I was comparing it to my 950 and also to my (sold) MTS 1200.

REALLY liked the big girl! Very smooth, good power -- better low end than my 950, not maniac fast like the MTS -- has a just right feel to it. Good seated ergonomics and comfortable seat. Big tall thing though!

Worried it might be a little too tall for my shortness, we'll see. Checked out the thread on ADVrider not much info just a lot of BS'n.

[LINK]

If you are patient, you might want to wait and see what Suzuki's new V-Strom is all about.

http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/bikes/2014-suzuki-v-strom-1000-concept/

[Moto-Brian]

Multi Strada with the new Skyhook. It is amazing and seriously adaptable to different aspects of riding. Sport touring, off road and aggressive street not to mention the other stuff it can pull off.

Of course, I am somewhat biased!

But, I also have a ton of seat time on the KTM Adventure and would suggest you wait until Summer of 2013 as the 2014 will be introduced to the US market. The Yamaha is a cool and different bike, but it lacks a lot of the things aggressive off road/adventure riders look for.

It is a very capable machine, though and is very cool. But, ride one back to back with a Multi and you'll see what we mean when we suggest that bike...

[rollnhot]

If you are patient, you might want to wait and see what Suzuki's new V-Strom is all about.

http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/bikes/2014-suzuki-v-strom-1000-concept/

Saw the pics of V Strom concept, gotta admit it looks pretty hot. I don't need an off road hot rod, just something better suited to the gravel & dirt roads like you see in the NFs and coal company land. Not in a hurry to buy anything yet.

[Pokey]

Multi Strada with the new Skyhook. It is amazing and seriously adaptable to different aspects of riding. Sport touring, off road and aggressive street not to mention the other stuff it can pull off.

Of course, I am somewhat biased!

But, I also have a ton of seat time on the KTM Adventure and would suggest you wait until Summer of 2013 as the 2014 will be introduced to the US market. The Yamaha is a cool and different bike, but it lacks a lot of the things aggressive off road/adventure riders look for.

It is a very capable machine, though and is very cool. But, ride one back to back with a Multi and you'll see what we mean when we suggest that bike...

3/4 of owners will never do more than a gravel or hardpack road, so on-road manners and comfort is key. KTM's are not overly reliable, and honestly not sure I would trust the Duc either.

[Moto-Brian]

3/4 of owners will never do more than a gravel or hardpack road, so on-road manners and comfort is key. KTM's are not overly reliable, and honestly not sure I would trust the Duc either.

Not sure where you get your info, but the 990 adventure is a very solid machine. This is an example of either very old machines or what is said on the Internet forums. The adventures are solid bikes for sure.

I've not enough experience with the multi yet, but the newest generation multi has been received rather well.

[Pokey]

Not sure where you get your info, but the 990 adventure is a very solid machine. This is an example of either very old machines or what is said on the Internet forums. The adventures are solid bikes for sure.

I've not enough experience with the multi yet, but the newest generation multi has been received rather well.

KTM's might in fact be more reliable now, but understand they are not fun to work on or even perform basic maintenance.

[Moto-Brian]

KTM's might in fact be more reliable now, but understand they are not fun to work on or even perform basic maintenance.

I'd say the adventure is a bit more complex to work on, but all the other bikes are cake. Again, not sure if you are stating from experience or opinion based on others opinions from the Internet, but in three years, I worked on several KTMs and went through tech training and can say they are as easy as everything else.

[smashweights]

I don't want to' date=' but I'm fighting with the dealership on fuel tank warranty issues.[/quote']

I was of the impression you hated Duc's from your recent posts

[swingset]

Multi Strada with the new Skyhook. It is amazing and seriously adaptable to different aspects of riding. Sport touring, off road and aggressive street not to mention the other stuff it can pull off.

Of course, I am somewhat biased!

But, I also have a ton of seat time on the KTM Adventure and would suggest you wait until Summer of 2013 as the 2014 will be introduced to the US market. The Yamaha is a cool and different bike, but it lacks a lot of the things aggressive off road/adventure riders look for.

It is a very capable machine, though and is very cool. But, ride one back to back with a Multi and you'll see what we mean when we suggest that bike...

So the S10 lacks what an off road/adventure rider looks for but you suggest the Multistrada, which lacks EVERYTHING that an adventure rider looks for?

Well, I adventure ride a lot and unlike many guys take my bikes on trails and off the gravel, and the S10 doesn't want for much, I'd consider it in a heartbeat if I wanted a liter-sized adventure tourer...it's certainly right on par with the GS1200A in capability, and right there with Triumph's adventure bikes too.

The Multi is a good scoot, no doubt about it, but the Super Tenere is too and it's a capable offroad machine with some easy mods and the right rider...and I'd put Yamaha's reliability above anything that's ever left Europe's shores, ever (and we're talking averages here, not individual experience).

The 990 is probably the best offroad adventure tourer out there, if you're going to really put it in the dirt, but that does come at the cost of typical KTM Big-Bore fuss of shorter maintenance and higher cost of ownership....in the Adventure's case F/I issues, fuel tanks, bad wiring harnesses, immobilizer malfunctions, and the ever-present KTM water pumps from hell. Why that company can't build a water pump, shaft and seal worth a good fuck is beyond me. BTW, guess what's wrong with my exc right now...it starts with water, and ends with pump.

Edited November 24, 2012 by swingset

[Moto-Brian]

So the S10 lacks what an off road/adventure rider looks for but you suggest the Multistrada, which lacks EVERYTHING that an adventure rider looks for?

Well, I adventure ride a lot and unlike many guys take my bikes on trails and off the gravel, and the S10 doesn't want for much, I'd consider it in a heartbeat if I wanted a liter-sized adventure tourer...it's certainly right on par with the GS1200A in capability, and right there with Triumph's adventure bikes too.

The Multi is a good scoot, no doubt about it, but the Super Tenere is too and it's a capable offroad machine with some easy mods and the right rider...and I'd put Yamaha's reliability above anything that's ever left Europe's shores, ever (and we're talking averages here, not individual experience).

The 990 is probably the best offroad adventure tourer out there, if you're going to really put it in the dirt, but that does come at the cost of typical KTM Big-Bore fuss of shorter maintenance and higher cost of ownership....in the Adventure's case F/I issues, fuel tanks, bad wiring harnesses, immobilizer malfunctions, and the ever-present KTM water pumps from hell. Why that company can't build a water pump, shaft and seal worth a good fuck is beyond me. BTW, guess what's wrong with my exc right now...it starts with water, and ends with pump.

I've seen guys run Multis in places most wouldn't dare. I, myself have ran an Adventure in the deserts of Las Vegas where even Trophy trucks tread and seen first hand the durability tested of these KTM machines.

Again, I think the issue of dependability of "european" machines gets thrown around because of what people read on the internet. Please tell me how many miles and what years the bikes you had issues wither were. You have a 520 EXC listed in your signature. The last year of that bike was 1999. A shit load has changed in the short 14 years.

That's what I am talking about. Guys thinking what happens to 10 plus year old machines and it is still the same now. It isn't. We've put demo units through a solid 12 month rotation of HARD riding and not one failure. No tank issues like you describe (Again, old Adventure issues), no water pump issues like the older bikes had, etc.

I just find it funny that the people claiming the Yamaha is heads and shoulders better are people that probably haven't even ridden it yet.

I said it was capable. I said it was definitely worth checking out, but seeing that most people don't actually ride these the way they were intended, the Multi is a bike that should be considered.

[Moto-Brian]

Oh, and why do you think the Multi lacks everything an adventure rider asks for? Outside taking it on single track, I would say it was capable of going almost anywhere the Adventure 990 would go... You slap on the right tire choice and I would take the newest Multi out to Las Vegas where we ran the Adventures...

[swingset]

I've seen guys run Multis in places most wouldn't dare. I, myself have ran an Adventure in the deserts of Las Vegas where even Trophy trucks tread and seen first hand the durability tested of these KTM machines.

I've seen people ride Goldwings in places most wouldn't dare, but the Multi's a sport tourer with tall legs. Nothing with a 17" cast front wheel is a serious contender for adventure bike.

Again, I think the issue of dependability of "european" machines gets thrown around because of what people read on the internet. Please tell me how many miles and what years the bikes you had issues wither were. You have a 520 EXC listed in your signature. The last year of that bike was 1999. A shit load has changed in the short 14 years.

First of all, the 520exc was made for three years, 2000-2002, there was no 1999...and I'm not basing my opinion of the issues of modern KTM's on mine, but I can't help but notice that 10 years after my bike was made KTM is still making a shitty water pump seal and not coating their shafts hard enough to withstand it....and you learn these things when you read and pay attention. A cursory search of KTM talk will reveal thread after thread on the issue, it's a gremlin that many KTM's share...including the 990, which has a laundry list of little shit. KTM four strokes have such lists.

Yeah, the internet matters - it's where personal experiences good and bad get posted, it's where people can form reasonable opinions, and temper them with research and their own experiences. And, some of us have a lot of friends and fellow riders with experiences good and bad. I like Ducati and KTM motorcycles, but I'm not in love with any bike so much I ignore where it compromises, and all bikes compromise.

I'm not going to list my experiences, we both know you don't give a shit and will discount them anyway, but it's just a matter of common sense. Ducati and KTM are traditionally race machines, their motor development begins there even for the non-race models...and that means shorter intervals and less attention to over-building. There's a reason the Honda 750/4 will run for 300,000 miles without cracking the case open, and a high-strung Duc won't. Yeah though those are extremes, they represent the difference that matters. Yamaha makes more dependable machines, on average, argue if you want....you're drinking some tasty kool-aid to suggest otherwise.

That's what I am talking about. Guys thinking what happens to 10 plus year old machines and it is still the same now. It isn't. We've put demo units through a solid 12 month rotation of HARD riding and not one failure. No tank issues like you describe (Again, old Adventure issues), no water pump issues like the older bikes had, etc.

Already addressed this, you're assuming I'm basing my opinions on my bikes. Has nothing to do with it. I've never owned a Royal Enfield, but I know they're a fucking pain in the ass. Wanna know how I know? Owners are happy to tell you so.

I just find it funny that the people claiming the Yamaha is heads and shoulders better are people that probably haven't even ridden it yet.

I've ridden it, I've ridden a 990, but again that doesn't have anything to do with it. The S10 is a more dependable bike on average. I'd bet my yearly salary if there was a comprehensive study of any comparable Ducati or KTM to its Yamaha counterpart that instances of repair service were less for Yamaha.

I said it was capable. I said it was definitely worth checking out, but seeing that most people don't actually ride these the way they were intended, the Multi is a bike that should be considered.

First thing you've said I agree with. The Multi is a good bike and should be considered, but not if you're going to throw it around on jeep trails or fire roads....there are better, cheaper bikes for that.

Edited November 25, 2012 by swingset

[bambam]

I have a Multistrada. The air cooled 1100 model. It is a brilliant, fun, practical road bike and handles crappy pavement with ease, but I'd hesitate to take it off road with the 17" front wheel.